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Anyone out there?
ReplyDeletehello
ReplyDeleteyup I'm here... but idk if anyone else is
ReplyDeletewell, i guess we sould talk about the book
ReplyDeletesarah s
sup i found this book bland with a terrible plot development but with great ideas on philosophy and such
ReplyDeletewow...
ReplyDeletethats harsh
it was pretty boring and the old school language made it difficult to read through
sarah
yeah well... and i found the puritans to be oxymoronic
ReplyDeletehow so.
ReplyDeletesarah s
It was rather difficult to read.
ReplyDeleteI'm still trying to figure out sections.
Sam, what do you mean?
and i could so easily turn this into a religious debate with the right people...
ReplyDeleteand they all condemed Hester for sin but in the Bible it says all sins are equal and they were rather proud to be gossips about Hester.
i think i got most parts figured out.
ReplyDeletei don't know what is on the guys chest when he opens his shirt though
sarah
And I'm sure.
ReplyDeleteVERY true. I'm sure they didn't think of it that way. I guess it's likened the the " [insert gossip], Bless her heart..." people.
ant they hated Hester, which Jesus himself stated was the worst thing you could do to someone, and their hate was a worse influence on Pearl and their own children then Hester was.
ReplyDeletelol and i think that the guy wore a scarlet leter himself under his robes over his heart.
ReplyDeleteVery true.
ReplyDeleteI can only imagine when they found out who the other half of the "couple" was. I mean, it mentioned it but you know...there are no drawings or videos...
What an uproar.
haha... Kristen
ReplyDelete"thats an ugly baby, Bless her heart"
i felt sorry for Pearl, but she was kindof annoying.
she was always rude and all up in peoples business. but i guess you can't blame her too much
sarah s
They said something about that. That's very symbolic...we all hide our own sins, whether they come out at the end of our life or not. It was such a burden to hide.
ReplyDeleteI think Pearl was adversly mentaly affected being raised in seclusion and hatered, and she was a genious, like her blood and sortof step father.
ReplyDeleteyeah.
ReplyDeletei didn't like her husband. Chillingsworth (sp)
he was pretty much the bad guy along with everyone else in the town.
he saw the mark on Dimmesdale's (sp) chest but he never actually said what it was. maybe it was an "A"
Sarah s
I feel sorry for the kid...everyone was speaking about about her mom and she was curious. And don't say you weren't like that as a kid...most of us were. Most of us have said worse things as kids (i.e. the "Wow! You're fat!" comment coming from the 4 year old who can't keep his mouth shut, etc...) and I don't know about you, but I asked lots of questions. Hester allowed a lot more than most moms of the time.
ReplyDeleteI liked Pearl, she seemed mentaly unstable
ReplyDeleteand I didn't like chillingworth either, but I can understand his actions i guess... he comes out of Native captivity to fing his wife holding a baby she had with someone else.
i honestly don't remember what i was like as a kid. but i can see your point. i think i was more of a burden on my older siblings.
ReplyDeletethere are some kids i could just punch in the face though cuz they talk too much. I think Pearl would be one of them
Of course Samuel. Though, to me, she seemed like a curious young child, except who noticed things.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense Sam. He didn't seem like a good guy but at the same time, Hester wasn't exactly a saint herself.
and i think pearl figuered out alot on her own, she was a genious kid,
ReplyDelete[The "Of course Samuel" was a joke, sort of, by the way.]
ReplyDeleteand and and ummmm, i think there was something symbolic about three hours
ReplyDeleteShe was a little genius, though annoying. Few kids at the time were allowed to speak so much, which is probably why she seemed as out of place...everything was all "hush, hush" to little children.
ReplyDeletethis is random, but why did chillingsworth left an inheritance to pearl?
ReplyDeletesarah
lets see 3... 3... um what is symbolic about three?? Jesus was dead for three days... but how does that connect?
ReplyDeleteI don't remember that.
ReplyDeleteThat forest scene was kind of odd. And you can't blame Pearl for wondering about it later.
leave... and well who else is he going to give it to? and i see mor similarities between Pearl and Chillingworth then Pearl and her real father.
ReplyDelete3 days; 3 parts to the trinity; 3 roosters; 3 servants in the parables about the talents; etc... There are a lot of 3 references in the Bible.
ReplyDeleteSam, I'm not sure I follow. (The characteristics part.)
ReplyDeletethanks Kristen... i.m trying to find one that fits...
ReplyDeleteyeah. (my bad on the left/leave thing)
ReplyDeletemore... he might as well have left the money to hester.
pearl wasn't his and he hated hester for having her.
he could have left it to the church or somethin (people do that right?)
sarah
Maybe there was a part of him that still loved her. I mean, love is a very strong feeling. That isn't necessarily what happened, but it's plausible.
ReplyDeletewel yes thats all true but he left the money to the source of Hesters "pennance": Pearl
ReplyDeleteyeah i guess
ReplyDeletesarah natalie sipe
well uuh what else it there to talk about?
ReplyDeleteYou could take that a few ways. I think he was in a bad situation to be in. The pennance makes it a little difficult to explain [verbally]. I think he's saying that he knows she's repentent of her actions but she'd never give up the consequence, if that makes sense...probably doesn't; it's horrible worded.
ReplyDeleteso...
ReplyDeletehow about Dimmesdale
he was wierd
he seemed like a nice guy and everything but he was a liar head.
he was an adulterer too but he didn't tell anyone
he did have that heart problem because of it but the torture hester and pearl went through by the townspeople was pretty heart wrenching
sarah
idk but like i find it realy interesting how Chillingworth messed with Dimsedale
ReplyDeletei think i get what you're sayin gurl
ReplyDeletesns
and i think its dumb how the magistrate was going to take Pearl away from Hester... Pearl would be hated by whoever they gave her too, and would be therefore raised in a worse home.
ReplyDeleteDimmesdale was kind of an odd guy. Though, I'm sure anyone would if they had THAT on their heart (metaphorically) in that town with that setting.
ReplyDeleteAnd oh yes. Most certainly.
and Dimmesdale... he was an odd card, he did take responsibility in the end. And he realy hated himself for lieing and even believed himself destined for hell. he thought that if he revieled his sin it would desmerch the intire village or something like that
ReplyDeleteI just realized that i am outnumbered...
ReplyDeleteentire...
ReplyDeleteyeah, you're right about the ending part.
he was about to come clean
but i dunno why it took him so long.
i don't think he was thinkin about desmerching anything
but thats just me
sns
yeah i think i'm outnumbered. and he didn't want to hurt the community, tho i agree that he shouldn't have waited so long
ReplyDeleteHow so? girl/guy ratio?
ReplyDeleteAlso, he did take responsibility but I think it was worse in the end. I mean, Hester had to deal with the gossip for the rest of her life, but internal battles are usually so much worse than the external ones.
yes too girls to one guy.
ReplyDeleteyes internal conflicts are usually far worse
that just leaves hester with a lifetime more of internal battle and external ones
ReplyDeletesns
How so with the internal battles?
ReplyDeletei'm done guys
ReplyDeleteone hour is up
see ya
sarah
um well i suppose that she would have to deal with the idea of her real husband hating her and her childs father dieing... i realy don't know
ReplyDeleteWell she already kind of knew it about her husband. And I mean, her child's father dying would be hard whether he said anything or not.
ReplyDeletei realy don't know i mean i think Rev. D had the worst of it from himself
ReplyDeleteI thought so too.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, my time is up and my weekend is already planned out by the hour...so...I'm leaving now. Bye bye!
I think Rev. D had the worst also...he had over 7 years of internal battle and that is NOT fun.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I'd best be going. Bye.
hello, anybody there?
ReplyDelete......
ReplyDeletesomeone come on!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteaimee
..... so..... i don't have time to do this tommarow...... and aparently no one is on tonight..... I can't blog to myself... and no one whose phone number i know is reading this book.... so..... what to do....
ReplyDeleteAimee
whoever else is out there has til 10 o clock.....
ReplyDeleteAimee
Are you still there?
ReplyDeletehello
ReplyDeleteAimee
ahhhh! don't leave me! i need you! lol
ReplyDelete:(
ReplyDeleteHey, I'm here. WHat did you think about Dimmesdale's "illness"?
ReplyDeletei told Karl i thought it was really AIDs. (just joking) But then i thougth maybe that was really true. they didn't know what AIDs was, he got it after having relations with hester, and then he started wasting away. so maybe it was some kind of STD that affected his mind.
ReplyDeletePlus Van go cut off his ear becasue he had syphalis and Deiimesdale had some kind of mark on his chest identifying himself as an adulterer... so maybe it was self inflected from insanity
ReplyDeleteWHy do you think Hester dresses Pearl so extravagantly?
ReplyDeleteI think for the same reason She embroidered her scarlet letter. She was born of passion, and passion should be something beautiful. I think Hester saw that subconsiously despite the Puritan ideals that were forced on her.
ReplyDeleteOr it could be that symbolically, his guilt is eating away at him.
ReplyDeleteRomanticism
That's what i thought originally as well, since the mark was near his heart, it came from the guilt he harbored there
ReplyDeleteANy ideas on why she is named Pearl?
ReplyDeleteWHo do you think is the biggest sinner?
ReplyDeleteMy favorite part is when pearl plays with the twig people.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was interesting how so many people had diffrent meanings for the letter as time passed. My favorite part was actually when the indians thought she was some kind of nobility because of it when it was actually the opposite. Kind of made me think how by stressing so much over a sin, we put it on a pedestal. Almost like sin is admired by our judging it.
ReplyDeleteI think that pearl represents truth. SHe revealed her parents secret and she knew who dimmesdale was, and she knew that Chillingworth was bad.
ReplyDeleteI think shes named Pearl from a biblical reference, about it being costly, but i don't remember the exact wording. And i don't real think of any of them as sinners. they were just people that were wronged by the world and thier situation. The only real debate for me is over chillingworth becasue of his desire for revenge, but it seems to me like he was taken over by "the Black man" and that the sin wasn't really his own, but the devil taking him over.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think he redeems himself by leaving his $ to Pearl.
ReplyDeleteI think i got a diffrent message from most people about the book. i see it as finding value in these things that are supposedly sin, like a pearl is something of value that was created from sin. Also for me the rose was like the hester's passion. A sin is seen as bad becasue of its "thorns", but really its beautiful.
ReplyDeleteyes most definatly. When he no longer had revenge to strive after, the devil left him. I don't think hawthorne wanted any of the characters to be seen as evil, just the society.
ReplyDeleteGood point and good night
ReplyDeleteI wish we got to know what was really on his chest. instead all we get are speculations. It makes it more open for interpretation of meaning, but its still anoying.
ReplyDeleteyey! good night
ReplyDeletehello?
ReplyDeletei think im all by myself :[
ReplyDelete.....
ReplyDelete:[
well i enjoyed this book alot, and i think that it was well writenn; i hope someone gets on here soon.
ReplyDeletehmm welll its been an hourrr; and no one has been on; welll i trieddd
ReplyDeleteShannon says:
ReplyDeleteEmily Manningggg?!
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteokay so I was ready on some comments above...
And the reason that I believe that Pearl had the name she did was because though she did come from sin she represented she gave her mother a reason to live and was truly a blessing to her mother's existence.
A real pearl is an irritation in a clam. It builds up but when revealed (as pearl was in the Scarlet letter) a pearl is beautiful and a symbol that a clam physically has.
...possibly?
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteIt also really interested me with the comments Sam made about the Puritans and how he believed for them to be oxymoronic.
It seems for it to always be for other people to be quick to point out the faults of others. And the irony in that is that the bible does indeed say that a sin is a sin.
I do not believe that there was a "biggest sinner" in the novel for that reason. Some individuals sins may have been more magnified than others but this does not mean that they (Hester) were neccessarily bigger sinners.
Shannon says: Alright so I think Emily should be here now!
ReplyDelete(hopefullyyyy)
Emily says...
ReplyDeleteSorry Shannon!
Ok. So here we go. I like your idea of Pearl's name.
I thought it was odd that she spoke like an adult though. I'm not sure if this was a tool of the author or if as I learned in art, an understanding during this time period.
In art during this time period, as shown in a feature of this particular book, children were considered as small adults. Their physical features were presented as only smaller, but still adultly developed.
So was her speech developed as a tool of this particular author or as an aacepted use of literature in all of this time period.
hello. I already blogged but i'm here to help everybody out :) so what do you think of dimmesdale's illness?
ReplyDeleteAimee
Emily says...
ReplyDeleteMy comment didn't freakin post!
So here we go again.
I like your thinking with Pearl's name.
I don't understand, however, why she spoke like an adult at such a young age and also why she was so strange.
My only thinking of her strange actions is that she was the embodiment of the wildness of her parents' sin.
Her rhetoric, however, is so strange. She spoke as an adult though she was only seven at the very end of the story (other than the conclusion).
Was this because the time period saw children as only mini adults (as evident in their art)or was this a tool of the author?
Shannon Says:
ReplyDeleteWell this is definitely an interesting interpretation you have of the way she spoke. She was definitely perceptive and she was used by the author as more of a symbol which I think also could have been connected to the way her speech was like that of an adult's. It may have been used as a tool by the author BECAUSE of the acceptance of it in this time period?
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteEMILY SILLY GIRL it did post!
And you won't be able to see your post unless you press the side link again that says "the scarlet letter"
that's what I discovered earlier :/
aww aimee how nice of you!
ReplyDelete:)
Emily says...
ReplyDeleteI think Dimmesdale's illness was only a tool of the author.
He had to manifest the man's pain in an outward way as to show its dramatic affect on his life.
Emotional pain can manifest itself in the physical, but death is not usually so slow and usually only occurs when the one in pain inflicts death upon themselves.
What about the mark on his chest? same theory?
ReplyDeleteAimee
Ah sorry!
ReplyDeleteYeah that makes sense.
Maybe Hawthorne used her to verbalize Hester's feelings or to provide a contrast to Hester, rather.
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteDimmesdale's illness I believe was a result of the fact that he knew Hester had to publicly show her sin to society and it was open, while he did not have to be known for his actions of sin.
....this got to his mind! causing him to be ill.
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteI really really really like how Emily mentioned that emotional pain can eventually result in self inflicted physical pain.
hello
ReplyDeleteSo do you think he inflicted physical pain upon himself?
ReplyDeleteAt the end it says that in legend, there was an "A" on the skin of his chest and at one point Chillingworth looks at his chest and discovers something.
Ah! New theory:
He carved an "A" on his chest and that's what hurt him so badly and that's why he grabbed at his chest so often, especially when he was feeling emotional pain (Adrenalin hurts the physical when the emotional feels).
So he died from an infection of the self inflicted wound...
Don't think I'm being serious.
i beleve that he did beacome ill beacouse of his oun emoational pain
ReplyDeletesam p
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteYeah there was "something" that the author mentions to be on his chest. And the belief that was an "A" was what I myself thought.
Shannon says:
ReplyDeleteWell I have been on here for about an hour.
Soooo goodnight :)
what if he never realy had a mark what if the mark was just a figment of his mind... he could hav been going crazy due to gult
ReplyDeletesam p
Yeah.
ReplyDeleteThat's not unusual.
Being two people at one time would cause one to be ill.
I think Dimmesdale had syphylis, he was slowly losing it, and his mental instability made him cut an A in his chest, just like Van Go cut off his ear.
ReplyDeleteAimee
Yeah, but other people saw it.
ReplyDeleteLike Chillingsworth.
I don't know about that.
But as far as his illness, I think that his heart was weak from anxiety and worry.
I was so disappointed with the ending. I wanted them to runaway together!
I like how Chillingworth redeemed himself by giving Pearl his money. It made the ending a little happier to me, and made me like him more.
ReplyDeleteYeah, except then Hawthorne got all weird and didn't know where Pearl ended up.
ReplyDeleteHe ended it so differently than the whole story. It was too legendie at the end.
i beleve the mark was more symbolic than phyical... i beleve that it more or less symbolised the pain left on his hart
ReplyDeletesam p
there had to be something there. otherwise chillingworth wouldn't have reacted so crazilywhen he saw Dmans chest
ReplyDeletethe book made a point to show the evil side of human nature... the story seemed like a warning almost or maby like a passed on story
ReplyDeletesam p
I think that it was symbolic too.
ReplyDeleteI mean obviously this whole story is about symbolism.
I was kidding about carving an "A" into his chest.
I think that what was on his chest was just the symbolism of his heart being reveiled.
First with Chillingsworth as this was the point of the story when he really knew for sure the offenses of the minister and then with the crowd as he told the truth.
yea, in the prologue the guy was reading the writing the story from a journal. This let hemmingway fuzz out some details to create a story that he wanted with a message that he wanted.
ReplyDeleteWho is anonymous?
ReplyDeleteI didnn't read the prologue. Mrs. Dehart said it wasn't necessary. So can you elaborate?
i think that it was interesting that poes tell tell hard was included in the readings
ReplyDeletebtw the poe one was me my bad forgot to add my name sam p
ReplyDeleteoh ok.
ReplyDeleteSo what did you think about little Pearl's demented weirdness?
I think she had to be bad because the theme of the story is punishment.
ReplyDeleteWould it have been different if she had been beautiful inside and out?
idk i think that majorty of is was just all the negnetivness that she had to grow up in
ReplyDeletesam p
I think she wasn't bad or good. she was kind of both. She kind of represented the truth to me.
ReplyDeletethe story never realy gives anyone a break i think that the burdens wer just a prelude... a way to show the pain that sinners would find in hell sam p
ReplyDeleteGood point because she hated the other children because they had been so mean to her.
ReplyDeleteBut why then was she mean to her mother when her mother was all that she had.
Yeah,
ReplyDeleteI really wanted them to have a happy ending, but it was awful.
There was no real redemption. He was a freakin minister. If you can be forgiven of your sins, why the heck couldn't he?
I didn't appreciate the theology. I did, however, love how the burden was expected to be equal (though it was not equal in my book.)
again i beleve that the whole book was just to servr as a warning to pervent peolpe from cheeting
ReplyDeletesam p
Well Pearl was something that cost her everything. In a way she was meant as both punishment and as a blessing. when she needed to, pearl did her duty as a punisher.
ReplyDeleteBut also, Pearl is a child, what she said may not have been intentionaly mean spirited.
Aimee
Lol i can definatly see that sam. Hester gets a demon baby. Dimmesdale gets syphalis, and chillingworth gets possesed by the devil very good warning i think.
ReplyDeleteplus pearl was her child... to have a kid is a blessing no matter how much of a pain she was
ReplyDeletesamp
sorry to change the subject, but i also thought the forest was a symbol, what about you?
ReplyDeleteAimee
maybe idk. its been an hour, im leavin now.
ReplyDeletesamp
me to. Good Night. :)
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