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oh how i wish my bff kimmy kim was onnnn
ReplyDelete-k.stokes-
i'm here for you kaitlin.
ReplyDeletenow thats whats up girllll. now what are we supposed to blog about?
ReplyDelete-k.stokes-
the book i believe. your thoughts, my thoughts, what i think about your thoughts, what you thinkk about my thoughts, and repeat.
ReplyDeletethats so many thoughts oh where oh where do i begin?!?!
ReplyDelete-k.stokes-
oh goodness oh where oh where do i begin?!?!?
ReplyDelete-k.stokes-
well begin anywhere because I didn't read it.
ReplyDeleteI'm here for moral support.
lol well well arent you contracting?
ReplyDeleteuh no? I made the personal decision to take english III with vauter last semester. A wise investment for me must I say. I'm just being a good friend kate.
ReplyDeleteawww kimber i think a need a napkin my eyes are watering...
ReplyDeleteokay.
ReplyDeletenow do work.
so in the book i especialyyyyy liked how no matter what she did what she wanted cuz she a bo$$!
ReplyDeleteenlighten me with examples.
ReplyDeletewell her gma was all about "you goin marry this old dude cuz you needa grow up youngin" then Janie was like nawww imma run off and marry who i WANT! so she found jody sparks
ReplyDeleteso were there any obstacles she had to overcome to do so besides defying her gma?
ReplyDeletewellll mr.sparks starting actin like her pimp and she was more free spirited than a kimber mitchell and she had to overcome the power he had over her
ReplyDeleteoh so gma told her to marry someone. she married someone else, and then had to overcome him. why didn't she just listen to gma?
ReplyDeletecuz she was too free spirtited. its pretty hard to ocntrol someone who has their own mind
ReplyDeleteeven when their mind isn't much wiser than other people. nice.
ReplyDeleteyah girl you already know. well sometimes you gotta just go and experience life instead of being confined by other people's opinion and thoughts of how to run your own
ReplyDeleteso then what? what happened once she overcame her husband? she leave him?
ReplyDeleteactually he died haha.
ReplyDeleteso she just waited it out? ugh.
ReplyDeletepretty much...poor girl lol but she went off with a hottie. but girl that was an hour. thank you for your time. you deserve a napkin and frozen cat. your wish is my command
ReplyDeletei'll pass on the frozen cat.
ReplyDeleteyou're welc and peace out.
peace gah.
ReplyDeleteanyone on here yet?
ReplyDeletedanielle
anyone on?
ReplyDeletemegan
yes
ReplyDeletedanielle
i lieked the book. Zora Neal Hurston is a good author.
ReplyDeletemegan
yeah i really liked it too. to me though it was confusing by the way it was written. like all the slang
ReplyDeleteI agree. Me too.
ReplyDelete-karl
most of the time i had to re read sections like four times to just get what it was saying
ReplyDeletewell i enjoyed the dialect. i think it gave the book character. plus i cud liek here the people talking in my head since she did a great job writing it how it really is.
ReplyDeletemegan
ashley says:
ReplyDeletehello fellow peers!
i too liked the book and how it portrayed a woman's struggle against her husbands "opressiveness".
yeah i understand what you are saying. The book would have had a whole different meaning if it was not written like that and I agree.
ReplyDeleteReally? Ah caught on to the slangness after like chapter 2. It got really repetative tho...
ReplyDelete-karl
i thought it was funny in the beginning when she didn't realized that she was colored. although it was sad how she found out. i think it was mr. smith who thought he was black when he was growing up?
ReplyDeletemegan
I dont know, it was just me then I guess. I'm not good with that sort of stuff.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say her husband (the third one) was "oppressive". The others weren't either just sexist maybe but thats how the times were
ReplyDeleteashley says:
ReplyDeletei get made fun of sometimes for slipping into this dialect (cuz daddy's from mississippi) and almost didnt get it because i could read and understand it perfectly.
Mr. Smith didn't realize he was white till he said the n word and got chased. It was the same sorta thing except he thought he was black
ReplyDelete-karl
the sexist post is mine too
My favorite part of the book though was when her first husband died because he was one of the meanest men I have ever read about.
ReplyDeleteashley understands:
ReplyDeletethank you "anonymous"...i waz very confused on that subject and just thought he wasn't letting her be her own person.
i think she did good finally finding love wit teacake. i thought it was sad how it took two men before him for her to get there though.
ReplyDeleteand i thought it was nice of her to wait until her grandma died to leave wit Joe Starks.
megan
the 1st man didnt die, it was the 2nd. she jus up and left the preacher, and then joe starks died of kidney failure.
ReplyDeletemegan
yeah sorry its danielle with the other comment but yeah megan im glad that in the end she found out who she wanted to be without letting anyone get in her way
ReplyDeleteashley totally agrees:
ReplyDeleteheck-to-the-yeah! he was very mean and made her do hard labor that most men wouldnt even attempt!! i think she was very inspiring because she ended up becoming her own person and embracing who she was without anything else getting her down.
sorry got them mixed up for a minute
ReplyDeletedanielle
Yeah, but im sure she was rolling over in her grave when she did. Especially with the way Stark was and how he treated her! And the fact that she ended up hateing her grandmother
ReplyDelete-Karl
lol ok jus clarifyin. but yah, i thought it was interesting how the book itself started where she came back to eatonville after teacake died, then the book was janie tellin the story to phoeby
ReplyDeletemegan
yeah i would have never thought that she would go back to eatonville, after all the things that happened there.
ReplyDeleteashleys says:
ReplyDeletei was wondering though about something starks said...that his wife wasn't going to be a regular townfolk and that she was Mrs. Mayor Starks. It almost sounds like a royal family position, ne?
Yeah. that was interesting. at first I thought the beginning was before she ran off with tea cake (they had weirder street names than people do now) but then at the end I finally understood that she never stopped telling phobe the story
ReplyDelete-karl
yah, but its good that she was able to go back and not care wut they thought of her, showin back up in overalls after how she left all fancy.
ReplyDeletemegan
Yeah. The way she told the story was cool. At first I thought it was before she ran off with tea cake (what a weird street name) but then I realized she was telling the whole story
ReplyDelete-karl
ashley ponders:
ReplyDeletei have often read books that were frame stories and i have to say that they are very interesting but also very confusing...my kindof book! :)
true, that she had that much self confidence
ReplyDeletedanielle
I didn't mean to post that twice. I think they respected her more when she came back and didn't get robbed snf tyhe overslls helped
ReplyDelete-karl
lol i guess, but all gov./ mayor positions are a good part popularity, jus liek royal families.
ReplyDeletemegan
See i love to read books like this because its totally different from what i am used to. I love reading alice walker books also, this one and alice walker books are about the same
ReplyDeleteSelf confidence and self completeness. After she finished with tea cake I think she was prolly content with her life so she had nothing to lose by returning and telling her story.
ReplyDelete-karl
ashley says:
ReplyDeletebut it almost seems as thouhg he put on a false front and said he came to town wanting to help but got caught up in politics that it consumed him and changed him...for the worse
wut did alice walker write?
ReplyDeletemegan
Are alice walker books about the lives of black women too??
ReplyDelete-karl
i dont think he got jus caught up in creatin the whole town, i think he set out to make his place in the world. i think janie jus didnt realize that, n she thought anyone was better than the 1st preacher husband.
ReplyDeletemegan
the color purple
ReplyDeletedanielle
ashley says:
ReplyDeletei think the overalls was her proving, not just to the people there, but to herself that she can be her own person and make "big girl" decisions. She is a beautiful woman in overalls...I love this chick! haha...
yes and also books by Mildred Taylor are some examples
ReplyDeleteashley concedes:
ReplyDeletetrue true...thank you megan.
I sorta agree with that. Oh that makes sence the color purple was sorta like this book. I think he wanted to make not his mark but the mark of freed black people on the world and she just didn't realize that he would do almost anything to hold on to his place in that mark
ReplyDelete-karl
n i think she jus stopped caring because she realized that society isnt the most important thing, and that u shouldnt try to impress anyone but urself, and to believe in urself and ur own ideals above other people.
ReplyDeletemegan
ashley posts a question!!:
ReplyDeletewhat would you think if you had to get married at sixteen and didnt really have a say in it?
just shootin ideas out there...
and dont let anyone or anything control you
ReplyDeletedanielle
I can see that. Also that freedom and leading your life like you want it are the keys to happiness. Almost like she wanted to say that you should pilot your own life
ReplyDelete-karl
maybe she thought so highly of nanny that she wasn't going to say anything about it
ReplyDeletedanielle
well she wasnt completely forced, i thnk it was brought on cuz of her grandma catchin her kissin.
ReplyDeletemegan
ashley says:
ReplyDeletehelp me understand...didnt nanny have the preacher lined up for her before the kissin though? that kinda confused me...
im not sure....i didnt think so..
ReplyDeletemegan
Well marrige at that time wasn't as powerful as it is now or was before then. Now marrige is a legal thing and before their time marrige was held so high that leaving your spouse was prolly not a good idea for your prolonged life. But at their time it was so frontier like that marrige become more of a loose concept
ReplyDeletei dont think so I believe it was after she was caught kissing
ReplyDeletedanielle
that one was mine about marrige
ReplyDeletekarl
I thought she did. Like he had talked to her a long time before that
ReplyDeletekarl
ashley says:
ReplyDeleteok i thouhgt she did and was just waitin but i see both sides...this book was a huge flashback in a flashback and i had to get used to it at first...
but why get married at such a young age?
ReplyDeletedanielle
i dont think marriage is powerful even now. although speakin of that i thought it was funny how joe starks was flirtin wit the fat chick in the bean fields n janie got jealous, but then it was good that janie forgave him. i wudnt have been so kind.
ReplyDeletemegan
Ashley responds to danielle:
ReplyDeletei do agree with karl in that marriage was kind of a loose concept. Nanny was trying to get her to marry someone that would give her what she wanted and be "good" for her. this made me believe that she was trying to protect janie from as young an age as possible.
okay i remember like before she died she wanted her to be set with someone that nanny liked
ReplyDeletedanielle
ashley responds to megan:
ReplyDeleteme either! i wouldve divorced him and made him look a fool! or just said no "makin out" for two weeks! hehehe...
The fat chick in the bean field was tea cake. Idk if you don't get a divorce and just leave, they can get into all your bank accounts and then if you marry without a divorce thats adultery which is an actual crime...and there were definatley no divorces in this book
ReplyDelete-karl
yah but keep in mind that her grandma lived in slavery for most of her life, although not all of it, n that janie was jus lucky. their growing up beliefs were different.
ReplyDeletemegan
ashley responds to danielle:
ReplyDeleteyeah somethin along those lines...veeerrry beginning of the book.
yeah okay well im done have fun guys :)
ReplyDeleteashley says:
ReplyDeleteyeah but she did just run off from the first guy...and how were they going to get into bank accounts when women really didnt have one, it was the men anyway?
ashley bids farewell:
ReplyDeletebye bye danielle! tootles! x)
ashley is scared!!:
ReplyDeleteWHERE DID EVERYONE GOOOO????? ashley is sad...
i didnt know that about the bank accounts... i was wonderin bout how they got the money from the accounts though cuz it said the money had to get wired from place to place..
ReplyDeletemegan
ashley thaqnks megan!
ReplyDeleteyeah and it didnt seem like they were too intelligent when it came to technology.
Tru. different but janies is more american and free and her grandmas was affected by slavery and didn't know much about freedom or the new america. she was kinda old fashioned
ReplyDelete-karl
so hows it goin over here? aparently no one read the scarlet letter besides me. :)
ReplyDeleteAimee
It was the olden times. they didn't have electronic banking. Just tlelgrahs to tell other banks to change account balances
ReplyDelete-karl
ashley says:
ReplyDelete10 minutes people! or person. or just me and megan...
there was a separate scarlett letter blog i think..
ReplyDeletemegan
I'm herE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteashley is excited!:
ReplyDeleteAIMEEEEEEE!!!!!!! i am sorry you were the only one but am glad you can keep me megan and karl company!! X)
lol yah. but yah karl thats wut i was tryna say, her grandma was old fashioned in her beliefs.
ReplyDeletemegan
lol i know ther is. but no one else is on it.
ReplyDeleteWell you stink cause that book was boring...you obviosly should have read this one
ReplyDeletekarl
ashley complains:
ReplyDeletethis system of posting is too slow!! we need to get an im conversation going then it would be faster!! and the posts would actually refer to the couple above it!!!
im done complaining now...x)
Oh, then I agree with that
ReplyDeletekarl
Glad to be of service ashley :)
ReplyDeleteAimee
ashley tries to fill up time...:
ReplyDeletesoooooo how long did it take every to read this here book?
but yah so ima say some random stuff bout the book.
ReplyDeletei lieked that it took place in FL cuz thats where i wanna move kinda, and i hate nicknames liek tea cake n all that, n i thought it was cool that jaine and joe owned a store and flat started a whole city together, and that her and tea cake so easily moved and started a new life.
megan
i liked my book :) i hate reading dialect. it irritates me
ReplyDeleteAimee
ashley grins:
ReplyDeletehehe...so do u wanna know what this book is about then? it was kinda odd but thats me so i kinda got it...!
it didn't take me too long. i read it in chorus every day lol. i really did enjoy it very much though. im bouta go work on the project for it some more when i get off.
ReplyDeletemegan
I agree ashley
ReplyDeletekarl
ashley questions:
ReplyDeletewhat was your book about aimee? did someone write to someone else in red ink?
Sure. :) tell me about it :)
ReplyDeleteAimee
ashley says:
ReplyDeletewhat do u agree with karl?
Was it as boring as it sounded? how long do we have to blogg?
ReplyDeleteor u cud jus read our other blog posts to see wut it was about LOL
ReplyDeletemegan
The posting thing stinking...IM TIRED OF TYING IN VERFICATION WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletekarl
wait did u jus say boring? it most definately wasnt boring.
ReplyDeletemegan
Not our book the scarlet letrer!! Our book was intence!
ReplyDelete-karl
mine was about a girl named hester who had a baby out of wedlock. so as punishment she has to wear this red letter a (for adultery) on her chest. The same day she is being punished for her misdemeanor, her hubby finally comes to town (he was in england) and vows to get revenge on whoever the babies daddy was. We then find out later that the daddy was the freaking church minister! and there's lots of yelling and forgiveness and the minister dies from a broken heart (he was hiding his guilt for like 7 years and thats what killed him supposedly. i just think he got AIDs).
ReplyDeleteAimee
oh lol. yah it was. but its past 10 n i gotta go do some of my project so ttyl guys.
ReplyDeletemegan
well it was about a chick who thought she was white when she was really colored and then her nanna made her marry someone wealthy at age sixteen who didnt treat her rite then she ran away with someone else and they started a town together but she was tired of him protecting her too much and she met this other dude named teacake(i thouhgt it was fruitcake) then they ran away and she was finally happy but then he died and after she buried him she went back to her hometown in overalls and all sweaty and dirty and it ended there kinda cuz she was tellin phoebe about it...frame story!!!
ReplyDeletethat good enough? XD
lol your guys's posts are confusing...... you should give me the short hand modern gangsta version. lol
ReplyDeleteAimee
Do we only have to go one hour? Aids that sounds interesting...I only got to chapter one then decided to read the other one
ReplyDeletekarl
lol wow. yours sounds wonderful lol
ReplyDeleteAimee
yep. pretty G. Very cool. and her daughter is like a wierd possesed little kid (kinda) so it makes it all the more interesting
ReplyDeleteaimee
ashley payces out!
ReplyDelete(read above) and thanks aimee but i gotta go to bed...i get to play tennis tmmrw!! and your book sounded much better than ours...and We need to talk to miss dehart about getting a chat room just for this...
gnite all loves yas all!! (little southern phrase my daddy always said to meh...x)0
Mixed Girl. Mom raped. Dad leaves. Gandma rasies. Forced marrige. Grandma dies. Girl runs away with black man. Marrige 2. Black man becomes mayor of black town, Improves it. Dies.old Mixed girl marries young black man. farm beans in florida. HURRICANE. blakc man gets rabbies. Goes mad. Mixed woman shoots him. Trial. Aqquited. Goes back and tells black freind story.
ReplyDeletekarl
If I only need an hour im gonna roll! I gotta write a speach in all black talk for tuesday and make tea cake fandango puppet
ReplyDeletekarl
Are you over here Aimee?
ReplyDeleteanyone on?
ReplyDeleteim here
ReplyDeleteof course you are
ReplyDeletejohn b
So this book had an extreme country dialect This book was defenilty not written for grammar
ReplyDeleteChase A Brown
eh. true that, b ut if thats how you talk and were raised then its what you know. but still bad grammar
ReplyDeletejohn b
Anyone on here? If not, let me know if anyone gets on please.
ReplyDeletebut then the question is whether or not Zora Neale Hurston wrote like the way she did on purpose
ReplyDeleteChase A Brown
Russel:
ReplyDeleteok i'm starting the convo for today. i actually enjoyed the style the book was written in. i think the southern dialect added some flavor and interest.
im sure she did, she was an intelligent woman and could write correctly if she chose to. i think the purpose was to connect the reader with the world Janie was living in and get the reader to relate to the characters in the book
ReplyDeleteJohn b
Hola John and Chase. How's the discussion going?
ReplyDeleteyeah, i agree with john. the dialect definitely set a tone and setting that could not be presented with regular english.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Russel and John. She could have written the book with correct grammar if she wanted to, but that would have detracted from the entire story. The southern dialect she uses really allows the reader to connect with Janie, and as Russel said, adds some flavor.
ReplyDeleteUr a little behind there russel. But we have been talking about that and I agree with you. The dialect defintly helped with imagery too.
ReplyDeleteChase A Brown
chase word. Anybody know the point she's trying to get across with the book? the big picture
ReplyDeleteJohn B
billy's got this. once you know the rules you can break them and she difinatly breakes them
ReplyDeletei enjoyed the novel for the most part, but the story was really depressing. janie is pretty much in a bad situation from beginning to end except when she is married to the last husband. she is strong female character though in the way she retaliated to the second husband and even in the way she dresses.
ReplyDeletethe mom wasnt necessarly raped, that was just the excuse. then the guy was ran out of town. they mentioned the guy was looking for the mom
ReplyDeleteI agree with Russel this is by far the most Irony I have seen in any kind of book. Evertime she finds happiness something or someone would come and mess it up for her. I'm surprised she didnt kill herself after everthing she went through. I mean she had to shoot left her first, her next husband got sick and died then she had to shoot her last husband. Talk about rough
ReplyDeleteChase A. Brown
i saw the main idea being how being an independent person can influence your life and how in contrast relationships can also affect your life. of course there is a lot of focus on sex and race as well.
ReplyDeletei actually think janie has a lot of weakness, gorwing up fast with little parenting about life she doesent consistantly stand up for herself untill she explodes or makes a rash decision. shes looking for love without giving it or explaining it to the person she wants love from
ReplyDeletei thnk the book might be a book kind of aimed at women's rights. the book was written in the thirties when it was a big deal. Throughought the story she is taken advantage of until the end where she finds a guy that treats her right?
ReplyDeleteJohn b
besides her first situation she put herself in them.
ReplyDeletei got the meaning that finding your self takes life experiances and no one person is stagnant, always changing yet somehow also staying the same
Well the book was written around the time of the Great Depression, when everyone began to focus on politics again after the prosperity of the good ole roaring 20's. Once the economy began to fall apart, people turned to government to fix the problem. Instead of writing about politics, as most people at that time began to do, Hurston wrote this novel. She was even ridiculed for her lack of political meaning. I believe she is trying to get a point across that everyone should stand up for they believe in, even if it goes against the social norm of the time. The novel reflects this, with Janie going against what was expected of her. She ran away from Logan, who she was expected to marry, and got married to Jody instead. Even her marriage to Teacake goes against the expectations of the time.
ReplyDeleteI can agree with all that. What I saw though is that when times get rough then it doesn't matter what race we are. Like the part in the book where they are in the storm and she says "Common Danger makes common friends. Nothing sought conquest over the other." This is what I think she was trying to get across in this book. That race, gender, and ethnicity do not matter we all face the same threats in life.
ReplyDeleteChase A. Brown
for her to do everything she did without support made her strong though the men in her life frequently made her weak. i canat really put myself into that situation at all so....
ReplyDeletei agree
ReplyDeletejohn b
THats not at all sexist.
ReplyDeleteand you agree with who john
Chase A. Brown
I agree with you Chase. Good point, sir.
ReplyDeleteI agree with chase. The hurricane part showed how people could come together and also stay apart. In the house people came together that normally would not have. On the bridge however whites continued to deny blacks high ground.
ReplyDeletejohn b
i think she it kinda a spaz, standing up for somethings, going with others. submissive and not at times. she stands up to her second husband but then follows societies view of whiter mixed people being better(when she is with tea cake chap 16)
ReplyDeletethank sirs
ReplyDeleteChase A. Brown
it definitely is a feminist story. i think it is interesting how as a female her looks influenced her life. because of her good looks, she was approached by guys at young age and this provoked her search for love in a way. even the way she wears her hair (her best feature) represents her emotions and changes how others perceive her.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it did sound somewhat sexist, I kind of agree with Destiny. Logan did not treat Janie with respect, so she left him. Jody treated her almost like a trophy wife. And when she finally found a decent guy (Tea Cake), he went crazy with rabies! It took Janie forever to stand up to Jody, but once she did, i believe it empowered her for the rest of her life.
ReplyDeletemaybe she is a spaz but ya know with the pressures back then, and racism toward blacks, you will do some things that don't necessarily exemplify your beliefs but it doesn't mean they aren't your beliefs anymore
ReplyDeletejohn b
Why do you think that she had three husbands? Why not 2, or 4 to get to her desired end?
ReplyDeleteUntil her third marriage, janie was doing what other people expected her to do.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason Janie was somewhat of a spaz was because of the struggles she faced. It took a lot of courage to stand up to Jody the way she did. Most women in her situation would probably be submissive as well. She finally overcame her fears and stood up to him.
ReplyDeleteIn Logans defense he treated Janie well and the one time he asks her do sum outside work she stood up to him there and chalenged him. Like destiny said earlier that she was to much of a spaz. Janie wanted respect but she couldn't decide whether she wanted to be respected as a traditional houswife or a woman.
ReplyDeleteChase A. Brown
is dehart the big dehart?
ReplyDeleteShe had no idea what she wanted until halfway through Teacake.
ReplyDeletedehart is the big dehart
ReplyDeletedestiny is destiny
Very good point Chase.
ReplyDeletedestiny has a point. i agree that she used her white side to her advantage. mrs. turner who is racist for the most part still accepts janie for her white side.
ReplyDeletechase good point, maybe thats what the book is about, the decision to conform to the rules of society or to be your own person
ReplyDeletejohn b
Lol big Dehart. We can call them big D and little D.
ReplyDeleteWord, John, Word
ReplyDeleteChase A. Brown
you are not the first person to think of bid D and lil d.
ReplyDeletefyi you dont capalise lil d
I thought about that after i posted it haha. But it was too late, I had already typed the annoying captcha thing!
ReplyDeletewell before i leave i would like to say that it was very unique and interesting how the novel was a african american novel and the main motif was not racism of race itself unlike most african american novels.
ReplyDeleteI have arrived
ReplyDeleteWell it has been an hour. Time to go eat, i'm starving
ReplyDeleteIs everyone leaving me?
ReplyDeleteInteresting point Russel, I like it. And Tom, you are late.
ReplyDeletesorry, i was busy finishing OUR video haha
ReplyDeleteI guess i get to argue and debate with myself...
ReplyDeleteI found it interesting that the story begins with her as a toddler in an all black town, ive never heard of one of those.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point Tom, in fact Eatonville was one of more than fifty identifiable towns and settlements that was formed from 1865 to 1920
ReplyDeleteno it doesent
ReplyDeleteI did not know that, very interesting idea indeed. Almost like the indian reservations except not forced.
ReplyDeleteKinda, although some of the towns were of a short duration and some still existing at the beginning of the twenty-first century.
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting how Janie dreams of an upper-class lifestyle but when she gets what she wants, she realizes its not at all what she wanted.
ReplyDeleteyes, it seems her life is filled with hardship after hardship although very wild and adventurous.
ReplyDeleteShe seems very free-spirited and will go to any length to get what she wants regardless of what others think.
ReplyDeleteShe seems very free-spirited and headstrong. It seems she will go to any length to get what she wants and do anything to get that regardless of what others think.
ReplyDelete